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I think for me it was clear that Harry was abused. Beyond verbal abuse and living under the cupboard under the stairs. In a lot of other HP forums that has been a question that a lot of people asked:
How can no one know that Harry lived in a cupboard? Why was Mrs Figg not reporting to Dumbledore that Harry was malnourished compared to Dudley? Why didn't any of question that if Harry had to go to St. Brutus, why wasn't Dudley and his gang going too?
I think that the view as far as Mrs. Figg was that maybe they weren't the best to Harry, but it was better than allowing him to be vulnerable to Voldemort supporters. His mother saved him and his mother's blood was in Petunia, so the magic of protection was strongest with her.
You left a toddler (who was clearly walking since he was given a learners broom) on the doorsteps in England in November? Even though we later learn of warming charms why didn't he just knock on the door and let Petunia know in person her sister had died? No matter, the relationship Petunia and Lily had, finding your dead sisters son on your doorstep when you go for the morning milk is a hard pill to swallow?
Maybe he didn't want to give her a chance to refuse. Still fucked up though.
I think for me it was clear that Harry was abused. Beyond verbal abuse and living under the cupboard under the stairs. In a lot of other HP forums that has been a question that a lot of people asked:
How can no one know that Harry lived in a cupboard? Why was Mrs Figg not reporting to Dumbledore that Harry was malnourished compared to Dudley? Why didn't any of question that if Harry had to go to St. Brutus, why wasn't Dudley and his gang going too?
I need more information about what you're saying. Write it long and talk me like I'm five.
It's not that I don't understand your point, it's much more that I really want to understand who exactly did what to Harry. As in, do you think Mrs. Figg was reporting that Harry was being abused and Dumbledore simply turned a blind? Or did he encourage it? Are you saying that Dumbledore himself abused Harry while he was at school?
No judgement zone? Good, then y'all can't judge the fact that I live in Orlando & have never been to WWHP.
But...but...you need to have the butterbeer!
I have no desire to drink butterbeer. I love HP, I hate theme parks.
My husband's company installed all the signs/decor stuff for both HP sections, and they worked like CRAAAAAZY getting that shit done. Like..90 hour work weeks for months. He has no desire to go.
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Maybe he didn't want to give her a chance to refuse. Still fucked up though.
That led to more resentment.
And Dumbledore knew about the horcrux in Harry's head and what did he do for the eleven years?
I don't think he knew about the horcrux in Harry until later. He suspected V made at least one but didn't think about Harry being a horcrux until he started seeing what V and Nagini saw.
And I just read a very interesting piece on cracked that explains how perhaps Hogwarts was all in Harry's head as a way to escape from the abuse he was dealing with at home.
Post by housecarder on Jun 5, 2015 17:00:47 GMT -5
And as far as abuse goes, Harry was a scrawny kid to begin with. He was definitely emotionally and mentally abused but the physical abuse or neglect seemed to be in the back seat in comparison. And most abusers hide it well. My stepdad beat the shit out of us growing up, mainly my sister, and no one knew for years, even my mom. I'm not saying Dumbledore was right in leaving Harry there, but he thought it was best. Hagrid was pissed when he found out how Harry was being treated so I assume they thought he was being cared for.
And I just read a very interesting piece on cracked that explains how perhaps Hogwarts was all in Harry's head as a way to escape from the abuse he was dealing with at home.
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Post by housecarder on Jun 5, 2015 17:03:03 GMT -5
And some of the issue might stem from them being oblivious to Muggle issues. They thought he was safe there, it might be better to just leave him be than attract attention to him by constantly checking in.
I think for me it was clear that Harry was abused. Beyond verbal abuse and living under the cupboard under the stairs. In a lot of other HP forums that has been a question that a lot of people asked:
How can no one know that Harry lived in a cupboard? Why was Mrs Figg not reporting to Dumbledore that Harry was malnourished compared to Dudley? Why didn't any of question that if Harry had to go to St. Brutus, why wasn't Dudley and his gang going too?
I think that the view as far as Mrs. Figg was that maybe they weren't the best to Harry, but it was better than allowing him to be vulnerable to Voldemort supporters. His mother saved him and his mother's blood was in Petunia, so the magic of protection was strongest with her.
My thoughts exactly. I'm sure he was abused, but it was better than Voldemort killing him.
And I just read a very interesting piece on cracked that explains how perhaps Hogwarts was all in Harry's head as a way to escape from the abuse he was dealing with at home.
I need more information about what you're saying. Write it long and talk me like I'm five.
It's not that I don't understand your point, it's much more that I really want to understand who exactly did what to Harry. As in, do you think Mrs. Figg was reporting that Harry was being abused and Dumbledore simply turned a blind? Or did he encourage it? Are you saying that Dumbledore himself abused Harry while he was at school?
I think a lot of Harry's issue is neglect. As some other fandom writers have pointed out there is a lot of neglect of Harry.
Harry is hailed as the Boy Who Lived and the gatekeeper of Hogwarts came to visit him. His house was literally flooded with letters and no one actually investigated why he was refusing his letters?
I think half of the adventures would not have happened had one adult treated Harry like a child and took him under their wing. I KNOW the stories wouldn't have happened.
Okay, but this isn't totally answering my question.
I'm sorry - I want to get your theory. So, all the adults in Harry's life neglected him. We have no idea why, though? Is that what you're saying? It seems like someone should have looked a little deeper into Harry's life to understand, but no one did.
So, you don't think that Dumbledore was purposefully emotionally abusing Harry - he was just neglecting him? Same with Snape, McGonagall, Hagrid, etc?
Also, you don't think Petunia and Vernon were sitting around beating Harry, but they emotionally abused the hell out of him.
Do you think that Mrs. Figg knew?
Since he was left on his own constantly and failed by all the adults, he compensated by being this kid who just wanted to please everyone (going back to the conversation in FFFC)?
I don't think he knew about the horcrux in Harry until later. He suspected V made at least one but didn't think about Harry being a horcrux until he started seeing what V and Nagini saw.
“Is that where —?” whispered Professor McGonagall.
“Yes,” said Dumbledore. “He’ll have that scar forever.”
“Couldn’t you do something about it, Dumbledore?”
“Even if I could, I wouldn’t. Scars can come in handy. I have one myself above my left knee that
is a perfect map of the London Underground. Well — give him here, Hagrid — we’d better get
this over with.”
But it wasn't until he got the memory from Slughorn that he knew about all the horcruxes, so I'm sure even if he had suspicions he didn't know Harry was a horcrux.
And I just read a very interesting piece on cracked that explains how perhaps Hogwarts was all in Harry's head as a way to escape from the abuse he was dealing with at home.
Well fuck.
No no no no no. Magic is real!!!
Honestly, I totally thought this is where @pineappleoranges was going!
Post by housecarder on Jun 5, 2015 17:15:18 GMT -5
I think that while Dumbledore made lots of mistakes throughout the series (such as cutting Harry out in book 5? to try and keep V from realizing Harry's connection to him) I don't think he was intentionally abusive. I think he did what a lot of adults do, they choose for the children and try to protect them rather than involve them in the problem. My biggest issue with D is him not telling Harry about the horcrux once he knew and allowing him to sacrifice himself not knowing it wouldn't really kill him.
And I just read a very interesting piece on cracked that explains how perhaps Hogwarts was all in Harry's head as a way to escape from the abuse he was dealing with at home.
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