Post by hopefulreturn on Aug 10, 2015 20:43:55 GMT -5
We had another good weight check today. She's back to birthweight! So tonight we don't need to wake her to eat. The poor girl was forced awake so often that I think she'll be giving it back tonight but we will see what happens!
I think the 7 day growth spurt is real. She's been so good the last few days, sleeping and eating but the second half of today she has been wanting to eat every hour-ish and not wanting to be put down. I feel like it's going to be a long night
Is there a certain feeding that everyone dislikes? Mine is definitely the one right before bed time. She gets lazy, pops on and off the breast, piches/pulls and generally keeps her hands in the way, falls asleep then wakes up when I take her off and generally just uses me as a pacifier. It is the feeding I start to resent. She also shakes her head like she can't find it. I wish she would take a pacifier just so I can get a break from her on/off/other issues.
This stuff is hard.
My hardest is around 3/4am. I'm so tired and often if it's 4 when we start, the daylight is starting to appear as I finally crawl back to bed.
I finally gave up and handed her to H while I laid in bed with DS. He managed to get her to take a pacifier and calm down to sleep. Not sure how long it will last and I have some mommy guilt for not being able to handle it (mentally exhausted at this point), but the cuddles with DS reminded me that this to shall pass and she won't be attached to the boob forever (even though it really feels like it).
Post by hopefulreturn on Aug 11, 2015 0:05:20 GMT -5
I thought we finally had latching down. It's so painful on the left! I readjust, check and all looks "right" but pain lingers. I guess I'll be calling an LC again if this doesn't improve. Breastfeeding is hard and a bit of a mind game.
I think the 7 day growth spurt is real. She's been so good the last few days, sleeping and eating but the second half of today she has been wanting to eat every hour-ish and not wanting to be put down. I feel like it's going to be a long night
I don't know what it is about the 5/6 am feeding that is so hard for us. Miles fights latching and this morning I just gave up and gave him a bottle. So now instead of getting to go back to sleep I get to pump. I really hate pumping.
I don't know what it is about the 5/6 am feeding that is so hard for us. Miles fights latching and this morning I just gave up and gave him a bottle. So now instead of getting to go back to sleep I get to pump. I really hate pumping.
I need to get better at just doing this during some of our night feedings when latching and staying on become a struggle. But I don't like the idea of staying awake to pump. I've been using s handheld but now that my electric pump is here, maybe I need to give that a try.
I don't know what it is about the 5/6 am feeding that is so hard for us. Miles fights latching and this morning I just gave up and gave him a bottle. So now instead of getting to go back to sleep I get to pump. I really hate pumping.
I need to get better at just doing this during some of our night feedings when latching and staying on become a struggle. But I don't like the idea of staying awake to pump. I've been using s handheld but now that my electric pump is here, maybe I need to give that a try.
Maybe once you start pumping at night, LO will want to nurse. You know Murphy's law and al that.
Post by bibliothecary on Aug 11, 2015 9:00:43 GMT -5
Did you know that breastmilk gets more fatty and delicious later in the day? Because G knows. Apparently, it's tastiest between midnight and 2. So I don't get to sleep then. Two straight hours of nothing but feeding. And crying if I'm not producing a lot.
Did you know that breastmilk gets more fatty and delicious later in the day? Because G knows. Apparently, it's tastiest between midnight and 2. So I don't get to sleep then. Two straight hours of nothing but feeding. And crying if I'm not producing a lot.
Yep, mine is usually best during DS's bedtime routine, so I have been missing out on that lately. :-(
Did you know that breastmilk gets more fatty and delicious later in the day? Because G knows. Apparently, it's tastiest between midnight and 2. So I don't get to sleep then. Two straight hours of nothing but feeding. And crying if I'm not producing a lot.
your prolactin hormone level is highest then, so supply is usually highest and baby wants to eat more often. They also tend to have days and nights mixed up, so they eat more at night, when you would much prefer that straight hours of nursing to happen during daylight hours.
I don't know what it is about the 5/6 am feeding that is so hard for us. Miles fights latching and this morning I just gave up and gave him a bottle. So now instead of getting to go back to sleep I get to pump. I really hate pumping.
I need to get better at just doing this during some of our night feedings when latching and staying on become a struggle. But I don't like the idea of staying awake to pump. I've been using s handheld but now that my electric pump is here, maybe I need to give that a try.
Its better over night to nurse rather than pump. Nursing directly is better for emptying of your breasts over pumping which tends to not empty breasts well. and it sucks to get even less sleep cause you have to bottle feed and pump. Don't go down that road if you don't have to. It may seem easier now to just give up and pump and give a bottle, but nursing will start to take shorter amts of time as baby gets stronger and bigger, the bottle and pump timing tends to always take the same amount of time.
I don't know what it is about the 5/6 am feeding that is so hard for us. Miles fights latching and this morning I just gave up and gave him a bottle. So now instead of getting to go back to sleep I get to pump. I really hate pumping.
If you pumped, how much milk did you get?
It is often that time of day when supply is highest, and baby will struggle to latch on well and may pull off over and over again as they are trying to control the flow or keep from drowning.
Why must she latch on and then wiggle and pull her head back? Ouch!!
gingerygirl - yay for 1.5 oz!! Hope things continue on the up and up for you today!
they will often latch on well and then pull their head back if supply is high--they move backwards on the nipple to clamp down and slow the flow.
alternatively, if you are holding square on the back of their head to pull them into the breast, they may fight the latch, with an instinct to not get smothered and they pull backwards.
you can try a laid back nursing position, or one where baby's head is higher than the breast, so gravity pulls baby into a deeper latch, as well as gravity slows the flow of milk so it doesn't drown baby.
sorry, I haven't read all yet, but a question came up. Brewers yeast vs nutritional? I bought a huge tub of nutritional yeast thinking it was what I needed, but the all the recipes are calling for brewers yeast, I know there is a difference, but does it really matter? Opinions?
This is a good question. I bought Brewers yeast and it says "Brewers nutritional yeast" I was wondering if that meant nutritional yeast and Brewers yeast were the same.
since brewer's yeast contains lots of nutrients, some companies call it brewer's nutritional yeast.
The term brewer's is key means it is a byproduct of making alcohol. it tends to be bitter.
the straight nutritional yeast is grown differently, not a byproduct, and has lots of nutrition as well, but it tends to be sore of cheesy.
For lactation purposes the brewer's yeast is what you want, that may be because the yeast picks up some ingredients from the hops and grains.
But if you use nutritional yeast you will get some benefits from the increased nutrition.
We aren't sure what it is in lactation cookies that increases supply, it may "just" be the additional nutrition of a compact healthy food.
For pumped breastmilk in a bottle our ped said to give her 90ml, she is 17 days old but I find it is sometimes too much for her, just now for her 7am feed she drank about 50 ml and fell asleep.
Question --> do your little ones also love stuffing their hands in their mouth?? She always does this when she is hungry, what I've read online it is something older babies do?
3 oz is a lot of milk for a 17 day old. She may just not be ready for that much at a time.
Stomachs start out so incredibly small about 5ml and gradually stretch out as your milk comes in and they get stronger and eat more.
by about 3 weeks of age Avg intake is about 1 oz per hour, 25 oz a day. So by 21 days we'd expect baby to take in about 2.5-3 oz every 2.5-3 hours. with 8-10 feeds a day normal once you get past 6 week growth spurt ish. The amt they take in will gradually increase often up to around 4 oz, as the number of feeds go down to about 6 a day. and stay about there until way past 6 months of age.
Question about pumping - how much is avg to pump in a 15 min session? I get 2.5-3 oz in that time w medela symphony
That's good in the beginning. Your supply will keep going up until I think 2-3 months. When I went back to work at 9 weeks last time I pumped 8-12 ounces twice a day for months.
8-12 oz is HUGE amount. Most moms never pump 8 oz.
Babes barely got anything from the last night feeding and this morning, nothing. I didn't even get anything when I pumped. My boobs don't feel full at all so I guess that's it? No more boob juice?
what's going on?
If you think supply is going down, nurse more often, pump after feeds and give that to baby
I feel like my supply tanked in a day. Yesterday I felt myself get full, I knew which boob she needed to eat from. Now today I wake up and they are like empty sacs. I know she's getting some because she is peeing and pooping and I pumped after a feed and got a half ounce from each boob. I still feel like my supply tanked though because she's only a week old and with my son I was still full and engorged.
And I thought we had the latching finally figured out but when she is first on it's toe curling pain. Then it gets better. Should it hurt that bad with a good latch?
There is a growth spurt at one week of age where they take in more milk and want to eat more often and moms often think their milk is going down cause they don't feel as engorged. This is normal and ok.
If pain goes away after 15 seconds or so, then it's an ok latch but you have to get used to soreness/constant use. If pain stays and doesn't improve you may need a bit of latch correction.
Be sure you are using nipple cream after each session.
kaeguri, I asked my LC today and she said the first 5 mins of a feeding are fore and the rest is hind. I'm doing one boob per feed and she seems to be satisfied
Just a small note on this...these is no exact science for how much milk from each boob is fore or hind. It is VERY outdated thinking.
The part of the below article that talks about how its like a hot water faucet is a great analogy...This is why I recommended the block feeding...and kaeguri she's feeding closer together, so she's getting more of the fatty milk.
No such thing as a TIME that gives you fore or hindmilk. if you go a long time between feeds, the milk separates out and the fat sticks to the walls of the ducts, so at first you get lower fatty milk we call foremilk. But if you are nursing all.the.time then there isn't much time for anything to separate and baby will just get milk.
Keep in mind that feeding on one side per feeding is a human norm. We are mammals, no other mammal switches sides at all. We have two breasts to feed two babies, not cause it takes two to feed one baby.
So we give advice to switch sides and offer both sides because we think it makes you less sore (so now both sides are used at all feedings and both sides are sore with no time off to rest/heal). Or cause we think it's the only way to signal a good milk supply (for many it seems to signal oversupply way too much milk)
It is useful to switch sides if you have a super sleepy newborn that conks out when the milk flow slows. You can also use breast compressions and massage to speed the flow of milk and help wake baby up a bit (also helps loosen any fat stuck to the walls of the ducts).
Overall most Lactation professionals are beginning to recommend feeding baby on one side until they are done, then burping and offering side 2 as dessert which they may not need. if breast still feels very full when they come off of side one, you may want to burp and reoffer side one with breast compressions and massage. One breast makes perfect % of fore and hindmilk, but when we switch back and forth we tend to get oversupply and imbalance of foremilk.
For some reason now I can only pump 1.5-2oz in 15 minutes! I don't know why! I am pumping every 2-2.5 hours.
is this in addition to nursing or instead of nursing?
Instead of , I am exclusively pumping now - due to a bad latch and crazy nipple feeding pain when using the nipple shield. We are trying without a shield for about 30-60 mins a day of just trying to get her to latch on. breastfeeding is so hard and I am getting so frustrated
I am going to see an LC that apparently can make any baby latch on tomorrow so fingers crossed for us...
@amyg, Thanks for "visiting" us over here! I haven't had my baby yet, but I'm learning so much from you!
If you ever think you need extra help tag me. I don't always come, cause I get a boatload of tags a day and might miss it,
and in that case, remember there is a breastfeeding board here,
and May bmb has a huge support system for breastfeeding where they'll probably answer your question if you stick your nose into their breastfeeding thread too.
July has a pretty good support system in place too.
I think for a breastfeeding issue the more support and answers you can get the better off you'll be.
is this in addition to nursing or instead of nursing?
Instead of , I am exclusively pumping now - due to a bad latch and crazy nipple feeding pain when using the nipple shield. We are trying without a shield for about 30-60 mins a day of just trying to get her to latch on. breastfeeding is so hard and I am getting so frustrated
I am going to see an LC that apparently can make any baby latch on tomorrow so fingers crossed for us...
supply does regulate a bit after initial engorgement settles down,
so part of the amount may be that.
also establishing and keeping a good milk supply when eping is very difficult without supports--rental pump, ensuring correct size flange/horn on pump, pumping long enough, 5 min after milk stops flowing, pumping often enough (mimick baby's feeding pattern), and not setting pump too high.
Of course for a 17 day old baby, if you can pump the amt of milk they want in a bottle that's good and it sounds like you are close. when pump amt drops you increase pump time, frequency, try different settings on the pump,, increase calories, water, and you might eat oatmeal or lactation cookies.
Hope LC does wonders, don't give up if it's not an immediate fix, sometimes it takes a bit of work.
I'm getting real sick of righties let down. I'm like a faucet on that side. Soak right through an overnight pad. I'm going to double up with a disposable and a reusable and see if that helps. I am glad it's not forceful though. With dd when I was nursing her she used to unlatch and gag and I would spray her in the face.
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